Another tragic mass murder has taken place in Western Australia, this time in Bedford:
“Anthony Robert Harvey allegedly killed three-and-a-half-year-old Charlotte Kate Harvey, two-year-old twins Alice Ester and Beatrix Mae Harvey, and their mother Mara Lee Harvey, 41, on Monday September 3 in their house in the northern Perth suburb of Bedford.
He is accused of murdering Ms Harvey’s mother, the children’s grandmother, 73-year-old Beverley Ann Quinn, in the same house the next day.
WA Police Commissioner Chris Dawson said police would allege a blunt instrument and knives were used in the crimes, but no firearms were involved.
He said the bodies of Ms Harvey and Ms Quinn were found in the kitchen of the house, with the children’s bodies found in other rooms.”
Sounds as though the Australian media were disappointed there wasn’t a gun involved. This is further evident given the lack of grave dancing from Gun Control Australia and the Alannah and Madeline Foundation on this incident – not a peep from either of them over this.
This comes after the incident in Ellenbrook a few weeks ago where a man murdered three people with a pair of scissors:
“Michelle Petersen, 48, and her daughter Bella, 15, and Rua, 8, were killed in their family home on Brixton Crescent in Ellenbrook, on Sunday morning.
Disturbed police officers said the bloody crime scene was the worst they had seen after making the grim discovery at the house, which is about 30 minutes’ drive northeast of the Perth CBD.
As they opened the door, officers saw a boy, 8, and his mother, 48, dead inside, while the boy’s sister, 15, was in the backyard suffering from critical injuries.
An ambulance was called to the scene but the injured teenager died on the way to Royal Perth Hospital. Police officers are also understood to have found a large pair of scissors about 30 metres from the house.”
And of course, the tragic mass murder in Osmington earlier in the year where 7 people were killed.
That’s now three mass murders for 2018 alone.
The same level of outrage normally reserved for firearm-related incidents is nowhere near high enough for something like these two incidents, and for very obvious reasons. Most of these killings have gone under the rug from the media, because the civilian disarmament agenda cannot be advanced.
Perhaps the most interesting fact is that this happened on September 3 and was not made public until September 10.
The point is clear, it’s people that kill not objects. The state with the strictest firearm and weapon (aside from pepper spray) laws in the country has now had three mass murders this year. While I’m sure Philip Alpers now doesn’t know what to do with himself in terms of the rewriting the definition, it’s just further evidence that people will turn to alternative means if they are intent on killing. That’s not a binary argument for a free for all, it’s purely pointing out observable fact.
Being killed with anything else other than a firearm is not a morally superior way to go, the end result is the same – dead. Victims killed by any other means are no less valuable or tragic than those killed with a firearm.
When it comes to Australia, the focus never seems to be on why but always on “with what.”
You can thank 22 years of deliberate, media-induced indoctrination in this country for that.
The other issue is that in countries where law abiding citizens can use guns for self defence, you can find plenty of incidents that would have gone this way if not for the ability to either threaten to shoot or actually shoot the assailant.
My question is “how many more before we allow decent, law abiding Australians to own and use practical means of defence?”
So, do you think that if we didn’t have our current gun laws that these 3 mass murders would of still been the ONLY 3 mass murders in this state? I think not! 3 is to many, but Unfortunately we can’t stop them all. But by having our gun laws, we are stopping the vast majority of them. For those morons that think like most Americans, “we need to be armed to protect ourselves” you are idiots and you should go live in America and see how long you last. I stick by our guns laws 100%.
Some evidence to back your contention might be nice.
However, just for giggles let us pretend you are right – how does that help the victims of these murders, you have stripped away their right to a credible defence and ensured that they will die at the hands of someone they could have stopped if they were allowed to.
You have inflated the capability of a criminal armed with a knife, hammer or even bare hands at the expense of the small, weak or disabled.
You also assume that possession of a gun will generate mass murders, I own several and have managed to restrain myself from embarking on a killing spree (even when dealing with Telstra) and since the rate of firearm ownership in Aust has been increasing, by your theory the rate of firearm related mass murders should be increasing in line with that. it isn’t.
You do know that, aside from the millions of lawfully owned guns, there are millions of unlawfully owned ones out there (derived from numbers imported v numbers handed in or registered in 1996 + unknown number illegally imported or illegally manufactured since then).
Also, NZ didn’t implement similar gun laws to Aust in 1996 and has a similar (but decidedly sheep focused) culture and not only isn’t a rolling gunfight as your theory suggests it should be, but the rate of firearm related mass killings didn’t change there.
Finally, the statistical trend of firearm homicides in Australia has continued unchanged since the 1980s, our gun laws made no difference to it.
Facts are your friend.
“So, do you think that if we didn’t have our current gun laws that these 3 mass murders would of still been the ONLY 3 mass murders in this state?”
I can only speak for myself, but yes.
“But by having our gun laws, we are stopping the vast majority of them.”
Where’s your evidence for this?
Plus, do you have any idea why they waited a whole week to announce these deaths?
The problem is the media is usually silent on mass stabbings. People used swords in war and thousands upon thousands were killed in medieval times without guns! Mass stabbings happen and largely people are smug (like the media) and don’t care. A MASS MURDER IS A MASS MURDER! To go by you anti’s, there should have been a Satan John Howard PM that would have gone after the knives, but hypocritically that didn’t happen. You anti’s only care if it’s guns with mass shootings, never anything else! You people don’t care about car incidents on the road, the amount that die from alcohol, skin cancer, lung cancer each year, drownings or suicide each year! It’s so immoral there is a lack of help for those contemplating suicide each year.
DON’T YOU DARE TELL US TO LIVE IN AMERICA! The left are quite dictatorial and telling us even where to live! Why don’t you people ever question the police and ask them why they have guns in public? Why can’t they be more brave like the police in Britain and New Zealand? What’s wrong with being armed and protecting yourself? Do you hate yourself? You obviously don’t live in Melbourne and so out of site, out of mind I suppose!
Our gun laws are draconian and doubt you’ve ever read the laws like I have. For a long time I had no idea how strict they were, and it’s fools like you who want to be victims, but yet tell people what’s good for them!? Screw you! Don’t tell us what to do!
Just as people like you support horrible gun laws, I’ll always oppose lunatic, discriminatory laws that imprison people generally in society (not just issues surrounding guns.)
Lol dont fall for this fuckwitts trap shooters. The left can use there phone to call the police. There good at taking photos of crimes. Bet u like the huge amount of african gangs too. We will stick to our guns thanks. Many of us fought for this country.so u leave.
You write “we are stopping the vast majority of them”. Can you tell me how many have been stopped?
You have obviously made an unproven and unsupported claim!
But certainly, Australia’s firearm prohibition has prevented several women being able to defend themselves, and consequently being murdered. Is this price they should pay for your fear?.
Further, consider the similarities between Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot and Idi Amin. They were all political leaders and mega mass murderers of their own people. Can you guarantee the protection of my life if Australia should ever be threatened with what the victims of these people suffered?
I am ultimately responsible for my life. All men have the right to defend themselves. This entails the right to the means to defend themselves, which means that that we all have the right to bear arms.